On this episode, we cover the Joe Rogan Experience 2398 with guests Francis Foster and Constantin Kissen from Triggernometry.

No Rogan Experience starts now.

Music Welcome back to the show. It's a show where two podcasters, now with 134 hours of Rogan experience,

get to know Joe Rogan. Can I just say, Marsh, I appreciate that every week you put in the time

to figure out how much we have tortured ourselves, and I genuinely appreciate it. Thank you so much.

It feels important that we documented that we're here for our suffering.

Thank you so much for doing that.

This is show for those who are curious about Joe Rogan, his guests and their claims,

as well as for anyone who wants to understand Joe's ever growing media influence.

I'm Cecil Cicero.

I am joined as ever by Michael Marshall.

And today, we're going to be covering Joe's October 2025 interview

with Francis and Constantine from Triggerometry, the Triggernometry guys. And how exactly

did Joe introduce these guys in the show notes? So, according to the show notes,

Francis Foster is a comic and author of Classroom Confidential,

The Truth About Being a Teacher and Why You Should Never Become One.

And Constantine Kissin is a political commentator and author of an Immigrants' Love Letter to the West.

And together, they host the podcast Trigonometry.

Okay, well, is there anything else we should know about these guys?

I think there's a bit of backstory that's worth knowing.

So Trigonometry, it likes to brand itself as honest conversations with fascinating people.

And the hosts very much pitch themselves as pragmatic truth seekers, people who are just

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