Jeff, thanks for being on the podcast.

Hey, thanks for having me.

So you just went through a five day experience with Phil Crosser Robble and you've

ferried pretty well.

I mean, you're pretty resilient.

It was a resilient course based on a Montana, a whole bunch of different things.

What do you think?

How do you feel about after that experience?

You feel like relaxed, you feel good, and like, what was the overall sense of that?

I mean, just to boil it down to some simple words and emotions, I think it's hard for

people to unplug out of their existing reality into a small, local bubble of like, fun challenges

and putting themselves out of their comfort zone.

So I think that is just something that's rare and people, I think, really want to appreciate

that kind of experience right now.

I, we called it, I say, I call it resilience, but I kept saying the word exposure because

it felt like more like exposure for a lot of people because the first time in most people's

lives, they were exposed to things they would normally wouldn't even consider.

I mean, we had people from the city, including yourself.

We did kill classes on how to not only dispatch an animal, but clean it, gut it, and then

and eat it.

I mean, how to cook it and prepare it.

I saw so many people was like, eyes get wide, maybe good, bad, or indifferent, but after

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