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I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with writer and Calvin University professor Kristen Dume.

There are biological differences, hormonal, right? There's all kinds of differences we can explore.

Are these differences that we ought to amplify?

Are these differences that we ought to just accept and live?

And as Christians, what meaning is ascribed to particular gender differences?

In the 1990s, when Bill Clinton's sexual promiscuity created a constitutional crisis for the country,

evangelicals were virtually unanimous in their position that character

matters, even in the lives of our secular and political leaders. Fast forward about 15 years to 2010,

and many of those same evangelical leaders had the same cry on their lips. Character matters. This time, though,

they were responding to Donald Trump's talk about running for president. So fast forward yet a few

more years to 2016, and you've got to ask the question, how did 81% of evangelicals vote for Donald Trump for president?

Answering that question is one of the driving forces behind Kristen Dumae's new book,

Jesus and John Wayne, how white evangelicals corrupted a faith and fractured a nation.

Kristen Dumae says Donald Trump is not the first flashy celebrity to capture the imagination of evangelical Christians.

She traces the history of evangelicalism from the rise of muscular Christianity in the early 20th century until today.

She devotes time to Billy Graham, of course,

but also to promise keepers, Phyllis Schlafly, Mark Driscoll, Eric Metaxus, and a whole lot more.

As you'll hear in our discussion, I don't agree with many of her conclusions,

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