It would be hard for me to name someone who has had a bigger influence on evangelical thought,

especially related to the big questions of our day, than my guest today, Oz Guinness.

Born in China to missionary parents, he's the great, great, great grandson of Arthur Ginnis, the Dublin

Brewer, whose name, of course, is now known around the world. I couldn't care less about legacy,

because I think it's a kind of secular way of proving yourself.

And we all know that the day will soon come when there won't be a single memory of us on the earth.

And all that matters is what we've been before the Lord.

And so we can retire from a job,

but we never retire from a calling.

And to me, legacy is if the Lord says to us

when for the first time we're not only hearing but see him, well done. That's legacy. That's what I hope for.

I pray daily, Lord, help me to count my days, to make my days count. And I used to think, you know,

it says redeeming the time in Ephesians and so on. I used to think of that in terms of time

and motion studies. You had to sort of pack more and more efficient. I don't think that's

the meaning. The word time there is chiros, not chronos,

and the word redeem, and I can't understand this. It's a mystery. It's the same word used of our

Lord on the cross. So by our obedience and trust and faithfulness in responding to our times and our generation,

somehow, I don't know how, we are redeeming the times in which we live.

Now, am I overstating that?

That's what I am groping to think the Lord of Ball means in Ephesians and so on.

And that's amazing. So it's not packing the days, but making sure that whatever you do each day

somehow counts before the Lord. I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Oz Guinness.

...