And Zee Packer is a great writer who's at work on a thousand page novel and she knows so much about

writing it could fill a thousand page book.

So I kind of have a mass like a seriously sort of slideshow that's in Apple or Mac keynote that you know people look at and they're like this is 500 slides and and

and but a good you know I'd say 50 of them are on sort of quote-unquote mistakes and

they're the macro mistakes that people make and then the micro mistakes.

So I would say macro mistakes would include things like being coy, you know,

they'd be writers who they really, they'll be writers who they they really though they'll be a fall in love with sort of the snarky writing

the really intelligent but you know

Withholding kinds of writing and they'll want to write like that and it's hard to do unless you

not just have the intelligence to back it but you know why you're being snarky or

while you're being coy or why you're being and a lot of the people just take

the attitude without actually even taking the wink wink

nod sense of irony with it. Like they think that they can just sort of paint irony.

So I'll tell a lot of beginning writers, don't be coy just don't be ironic

be more direct with the reader and actually just be real and I know that sounds weird

when you're writing fiction to say be real to be authentic but you know the coyness and all that kind of stuff can come,

actually I'm not an advocate of coyness,

but the irony, the distance and the sort of clever slights of hand of legend and mind that comes later from you actually

building up what you know to be your position fictionally or know, in terms of non-fiction.

And so you almost have to just begin from the most sincere earnest like level possible.

And that feels kind of hard for writers because writers you know you you it's

assumed there's an assumption of a certain amount of intelligence there right and

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