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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Cara Swisher.

And I'm Scott Galaway.

Scott, we're still in quarantine, aren't we?

We are.

Yeah, we're sheltering at home, although this is really a time.

It really does, you really do develop a lot of empathy for other people.

You can develop empathy for people who are unfortunately struggling with loved ones who are sick.

You develop empathy for people who have to stay at home and take care of kids.

And more than anything, I've developed a lot of empathy for those women who just get in a minivan

and drive their entire families into a lake.

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