What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to Off the Chain, simply the best podcast in crypto. Let's kick this thing off.

Zucco Wilcox is the CEO of Zcash and one of the most experienced people in crypto.

In this conversation, we discuss privacy, freedom, decentralization,

the original battle between governments and technologists for encryption, and how the current

privacy technology for crypto is likely to evolve moving forward. I really enjoyed this

conversation, and I hope you do as well. Anthony Pompliano is a partner at Morgan Creek Digital.

All opinions expressed by Pomp or his guests on this podcast are solely their opinions

and do not reflect the opinions of Morgan Creek Digital or Morgan Creek Capital Management.

You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp as a specific inducement to make a particular investment

or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. This podcast is for

informational purposes only. All right, guys, bang, bang. I'm here with Zuko himself. Thank you so

much for coming in and doing this. Thank you, Pomp.

We've got a lot to get through. You've been working on encryption, cryptography, privacy,

scalability, except for a really, really long time. And I don't think people quite know your background.

So maybe let's just start there and kind of set your perspective

before we dig into some of the stuff we want to talk about.

My background is I dropped out of college when I was 21

because I got an opportunity to work on a privacy cryptocurrency.

That was in 1996.

That is literally 20 years before the madness of 2016, 2017.

All right.

So tell what exactly were you working on?

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