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Zoo's Clues

Sidedoor

Smithsonian Institution

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🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

The Curious Case of the Dizzy Kudu. Rhinos with an unexplained skin disease. A lion that could barely chew. Who do you call when there's a mystery at the zoo? The Smithsonian National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute's anatomical pathologists. These highly-skilled vets search for clues to investigate animal disease and death — sometimes encountering bizarre phenomena. 

So, grab your microscope and get ready to head through a very special side door of the National Zoo — the necropsy lab. And you're in luck, because pathologist Kali Holder is our guide! 

Guests:

Kali Holder, anatomic pathologist at the Smithsonian's National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey there's saddurables. A quick note to say today's episode is an eye-opening dive into veterinary medicine at the Smithsonian's National Zoo.

0:08.0

But it could get a little graphic for some people. So if it's not your thing, I'm going to give you a chance to turn it off.

0:14.1

While I recite some Shakespeare, and I hope that they don't edit it out.

0:20.0

To... I hope that they don't edit it out.

0:33.5

This is Side Door, a podcast from the Smithsonian with support from PRX.

0:43.6

I'm Lizzie Peabody. As we now know, COVID-19 didn't just affect humans.

0:48.2

There were reports of cats and dogs catching it, even hamsters.

0:52.0

And it wasn't only pets.

0:54.1

Now even zoo animals are coming down with

0:56.0

the virus. Six lions and three tigers. That's right. At the National Zoo are being treated right now

1:01.8

for COVID-19. Zoo staff noticed the animals were coughing and sneezing, lethargic with decreased

1:07.1

appetites. Right now they are being treated with various medications. This outbreak happened

1:12.3

about a year and a half into the pandemic. And happily, all the lions and tigers recovered.

1:18.4

But about six months later, one of the lions started acting funny.

1:24.5

She started to show differences in her chewing.

1:29.3

Just the coordination of her jaw was a little bit off, and the coordination of her tongue was a little bit off.

1:35.3

This is Callie Holder. She's a veterinary pathologist of the Smithsonian's National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute.

1:43.3

She says the lion, Naba, was one of the oldest

1:46.4

in the pride, about 19 years old, or 92 in cat years. Dental issues are common in old cats,

1:54.4

so everyone thought, oh, she probably just has a sore tooth or something's going on in her mouth that is dental.

2:02.4

Callie shows me a video of Naba eating a nice, juicy piece of red meat.

2:08.2

So this is her, and she is our sweet old lady, and she's being hand.

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