Zone 7 Legends : Lisa Ribacoff - Molly Miller and Colt Hayes

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

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🗓️ 21 June 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

On July 7, 2013, 17-year-old Molly Miller and 22-year-old Colt Haynes disappear in Love County after a car chase with police.

The car was driven by a friend, James Con Nipp. Police lost the vehicle somewhere in the area of Long Hollow Rd. and Oswalt Rd in Love County, Oklahoma. Miller and Haynes disappear after the pursuit. Nipp was prosecuted for the car chase in 2014, but no one has been charged in the disappearances of Colt and Molly.

In this timely episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with Lisa Ribacoff, a seasoned polygraph expert. Together, they explore the evolution of polygraph technology, its applications, and Ribacoff's unique experiences solving high-profile cases.

If you have any information about this case call 800-522-8017 or submit a tip online at [email protected]

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[1:54] Sheryl gives listeners a recap of the case of Molly Miller and Colt Haynes, who vanished after a high-speed police chase. If you missed the previous episode regarding this case visit this link Chasing the Truth: The Molly and Colt Case | Rob and Cindy, and Chasing the Truth: The Molly and Colt Case | Maureen O’Connell
[3:09] Introduction to Lisa Ribacoff, a polygraph whiz, tracing her journey from a family business to multiple offices on the East Coast
[7:30] Question: Regarding the audio and video that you received regarding Colt and Molly, can you tell us your first impressions, or takeaways from it?
[8:20] Lisa elaborates on the first piece of evidence she examined - an intriguing audio recording
[11:00] The duo stress the importance of emotional engagement and continuous training in their field
[12:20] Question: Can you explain the strategy behind polygraph questioning?
[16:00] Sheryl recounts her recent encounter with a polygraph test
[17:37] The progression of polygraph technology, from analog to digital
[20:00] “A 99 on a polygraph means that you didn't tell me a hundred percent of the truth”
[21:31] Lisa shares her ability to detect deception, beyond the polygraph machine
[23:30] How linguistic shifts can indicate deception
[24:12] Question: How many polygraphs have you done?
[29:55] Sheryl emphasizes the crucial role of expertise in preventing injustice
[31:05] “We are both in our careers for the idea of closure”
[31:52] Question: Will you address a little bit the polygraph as an investigative tool?
[31:30] Lisa explains the primary objectives of polygraph tests
[35:50] Question: With Colt and Molly, what do you think could be done now using your techniques?
[38:51] “Listen, I don't know anything about polygraphs. And I don't know how accurate they are, but I know they'll scare the hell outta people.” -R.M.N
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.

You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

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0:00.0	It was the summer of 1975, and my sister Shelley and I got the hippest jewelry ever, mood rings.
0:18.3	Our sister Charlene took us to pick them up at the store, and honey, we lost our minds.
0:25.4	The ring had this large oval-shaped stone in the center that would change colors to match your mood.
0:32.8	There were seven colors, each had a different mood associated with it.
0:39.9	So if it turned reddish-brown,
0:46.0	you were insecure about something. If it was gold and yellow, you were tense. If you were black,
0:55.4	it was completely, you were upset. If it was blue, you were happy. And this violet color was all about passion.
1:02.8	Shelly could not wait to see if her color changed when she saw her crush.
1:06.4	She was so hoping for the violet color.
1:16.6	And in case she ran into her neighborhood nemesis, she was certain that that stone would turn black as a night. I, on the other hand, had a better use of this remarkable ring.
1:21.6	It was going to be a lie detector.
1:25.6	All I had to do was get my subject to try the ring on and then ask
1:30.3	them a few questions to see if they were nervous or tense or relaxed and happy. I was finally
1:39.3	going to know scientifically that I was my parents' favorite child.
1:46.7	This is the third part of a series on the case of Molly Miller and Colt Hayes.
1:53.9	It was July 7, 2013, when Colt and Molly went missing after being in a car chase with their friend Connip in Wilson, Oklahoma.
2:04.5	Now, this police chase, if y'all remember, got up to like 120 miles an hour,
2:09.2	went all through some back roads, into near some woods,
2:13.3	and Molly and Colt were never seen again.
2:16.1	Even though they made several phone calls to friends and to 911 that night and early morning hours the following day.
2:24.8	This case is extraordinarily unusual because we don't have a crime scene.
2:30.2	We don't have a sighting of the two after that night.
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