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Daniel and Kelly’s Extraordinary Universe

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Daniel and Kelly’s Extraordinary Universe

iHeartPodcasts

Science, Astronomy, Natural Sciences, Physics

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Daniel and Kelly talk about a brain-infecting parasite of California Killifish, and discuss how the parasite might be altering the fish's behavior to its own ends.

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0:00.0

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0:02.0

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.0

If you sit on the banks of the estuaries in Southern California and Baja California,

0:17.0

the seat of your pants will get super muddy.

0:19.0

But also, you'll likely see schools of silvery fish swimming through the water.

0:24.8

If you watch closely, some of those silvery fish will begin behaving rather strangely.

0:31.0

They'll shoot upwards quickly, breaking the water surface and creating these super conspicuous ripples on the surface.

0:38.3

Or they'll turn on their sides as they scratch their bodies against a rock.

0:42.3

As they do this, their silvery bellies reflect the sun and create this quick and vibrant flash of light.

0:49.3

Why are they doing this?

0:51.3

These fish are bite-sized to the sharks and the predatory birds that sometimes roam these estuaries in search of food.

0:58.3

Shouldn't they be trying to look a little less conspicuous?

1:02.4

Why are they drawing so much attention to themselves?

1:05.5

Well, it's me speaking, so you've probably guessed that the answer is parasites.

1:11.9

Today, we're going to talk about U-Hoplorcas Californiancis, a brain-infecting parasite of

1:17.3

California killifish, which are the silvery fish dancing through the waters in California

1:22.4

that we were just talking about.

1:24.8

Welcome to Daniel and Kelly's extraordinarily infected universe.

1:42.3

Hi, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist, and I hope I'm parasite free. Hello, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist and I hope I'm parasite free.

1:47.4

Hello, I'm Kelly Weiner-Smith. I study exactly what we're talking about today.

1:52.0

And I'm okay if I'm harboring a parasite or two, depending on what they are.

1:56.7

All right, well, that was actually my question for you, Kelly.

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