I wanted to talk about zippers. May I just ask you some quick questions about zippers?

Okay. Is that a weird thing to ask about?

Well, nobody else really asked about zippers.

So, so you are Amish, right?

Yes. There's different types of Amish. Lydia is Old Order Amish, right? Yes. Because, you know, there's different types of Amish.

Lydia is Old Order Amish, but then there's also New Order Amish.

New Order Amish, we would have the zippers actually and we don't.

Why don't you wear zippers?

I guess because years ago, the older people didn't wear zippers.

Too modern, I guess, for us or something.

But this is the part that confused me. Even though zippers were too modern, here we were, talking on the phone.

Granted, many members of Lydia's community keep their cell phones outside of their home,

actually in a box, as though it's an outhouse, and Lydia only has access to a flip phone.

And I do not know how to use a smartphone.

Still, I did not understand how zippers were considered more modern, more of a disruption, than talking on the phone.

Because I have to have this phone.

Actually, the phones are more, how should I say,

the more I'm dancing what they used to be.

In my ignorance, knowing pretty much nothing about the Amish,

I assumed they were wholeheartedly devoting to just being

frozen in time, as dedicated to being as simple as possible,

and living a completely pre-industrial agrarian lifestyle. But that is not the whole story.

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