Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman,

Todd Pruitt, and Amy Bird. Mortification of Spin is a weekly podcast from the Alliance of Confessing

Evangelicals. This week, our hosts will talk about the role of pastors in ministry and the many

challenges that a pastor will face.

I'll answer questions such as, what should a church look for in the pastor, and how should a pastor

act toward his congregation?

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Music Pastoral Ministry. You are listening to Mortification of Spin, and this time me and my cohorts, Carl and Amy,

we find ourselves in a Starbucks, not just any Starbucks, we're in the Starbucks in

the Encounter Church.

The Encounter Church used to be, I think, some sort of Mega Mall. But now it's quite

lovely. There's leather seating areas and this lovely Starbucks, there's pastries. There is,

what looks like, was a zip line that leads into the worship encounter space.

And we're just here sipping down some coffee and people watching, wondering about the church,

pastoral ministry. I do believe it was the pastor that zipped by us just a minute ago into the service. And it looks like another

one of the staff members is getting ready to ride a Harley Davidson in for some sort of a sermon

illustration. You know, Carl, I've got to tell you, I'm not nearly that cutting edge. Now, Amy,

I don't know what it's like

in Presbyterian churches in West Virginia. I don't know if zip lines and Starbucks are common.

Or indeed, running hot and cold water and electricity. Exactly. And I mean, Amy just looks relaxed

given the fact that there are no marauding bands of cannibals. But I'm, you know,

in the Shenandoah Valley, I have yet at our church to install a zip line. I don't know if the

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