I'm Charlotte Ivers from the Sunday Times Wine Times podcast. This week we're sponsored by

Celebrity Cruises. Each week, myself and Will Lyons share three wines and one dish to discover

the remarkable ways wines can make any meal special, from picnics to pick me ups with the cheese

course. So pour yourself a glass, sit back for a grape-inspired podcast full of laughter, insights and

interesting wine. This podcast is in association with the Sunday Times Wine Club. Listen to Wine

Times, wherever you get your podcasts.

Yo! Technology. What is it all about? I don't think there's actually anything harder than this that we can ever go through.

Like this is as hard as it could be, knock on wood.

And so if we can successfully get through this, then, you know, we can overcome anything if we put our minds to it. Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley.

Thank you for tuning in.

I am Danny Forsson, your host, the West Coast correspondent for the Sunday Times.

And you know, this show has kind of a general kind of template.

I bring on folks, some of whom you know, some you don't, and ask them to tell their stories,

you know, what they're working on, why it's important, why we should all care, we laugh,

we cry, etc. But what I do less of, and I take response voting for this, is to tell the story

of what happens kind of after. You know, people love to talk about their highs, the kind of the

myth almost, you know, how they got to where they got. But there's much less about the other side

of that coin, the long nights, the mishaps, the points at which it all very nearly comes crashing down,

the darker moments. And I think those stories are as important, if not more so,

than the startup stories we're all so familiar with. So this week, we're going to dive in

to that other side of the story. And we're going to do it with Colvier Tagar. He is the founder of Zeus

Living, which is kind of like an Airbnb, but for business travelers, you know, on long-term

...