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Hi, I'm Carrie Hartman, a producer from Burden of Guilt.

We've talked to a lot of people who made this story of Jermaine Hudson and Bobby Gumprape,

but we didn't always have the chance to put them in a full episode.

So we're dropping this bonus.

When we wanted to get an understanding of Louisiana's changing legal

frontier around 2020, we spoke to Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams. Within his tenure,

he created a civil rights arm that worked diligently to change the state's reputation of being

disproportionately punitive.

I grew up knowing that there are miscarriages in the criminal justice system.

It was not a situation where I was ever shocked or surprised to learn that.

So, you know, cases like Jermaine really just confirm what I knew is that we often get it right and we often get

it wrong, especially in the state of Louisiana, and in the south, broadly. I mean, the southern

criminal justice system is very different from the criminal justice system and other parts of the

country. The way states like Louisiana have handled and mishandled their criminal justice system

motivates Jason Williams. He wants to improve what's long been seen as a broken institution.

It really just confirmed that for me, which is why it is vitally important to train young

prosecutors in looking at everything, at looking for corroborating

evidence of witness testimony, realizing that a case can make it from probable cause

to our desk, and there can be a falsehood that a story was based on. If they smell something that

doesn't seem right, I've trained my young prosecutors to not be consumed with the idea of

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