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Geopolitics & Empire

Zeno Leoni: U.S.-China Inter-Imperial Rivalry in a Post-American & Post-Western World

Geopolitics & Empire

Geopolitics & Empire

History, News, Government, Politics

4.2568 Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2021

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Zeno Leoni discusses the U.S.-China inter-imperial rivalry using Marxist-Leninist imperial theory. As the liberal international order no longer serves the U.S., America will find it more difficult to engage with the world as we enter a phase of transition. The two are crucial partners and strategic enemies. China has a selective approach to globalization, opening itself up where and when it is convenient and only in the areas it is strong. Washington has expected Beijing to democratize, which hasn’t happened. In terms of industry and technology, the West is playing a dangerous game by trying to imitate some of China’s successes which include a more politically centralized approach, albeit within democratic boundaries. The crux of the New Cold War is that China is a nationalist country, it’s less about values and more about economy and technology. He also covers the Middle East as a proxy arena and the media information war. We discuss AUKUS and whether the moment of truth on Taiwan is approaching.

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Show Notes

Institutional Dialogue on ‘US-China Competition: A New Cold War?’ with Dr. Zeno Leoni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjWxIxMgX64

Taiwan: how the ‘porcupine doctrine’ might help deter armed conflict with China https://theconversation.com/taiwan-how-the-porcupine-doctrine-might-help-deter-armed-conflict-with-china-169488

Could the Gulf become a proxy in the new US-China cold war? https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/could-gulf-become-proxy-new-us-china-cold-war

Websites

Twitter https://twitter.com/MultipolarOrder

American Grand Strategy from Obama to Trump (book) https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9783030547417

Kings College https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/leoni-dr-zeno

International Team for the Study of Security Verona https://www.itssverona.it

About Zeno Leoni

Dr Zeno Leoni is a Teaching Fellow in ‘Challenges to the International Order’ at the Defence Studies Department of King’s College London, based within the Joint Services and Staff College (JSCSC) of the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom. He is also an affiliate to the Lau China Institute of King’s College London, where he is co-convenor of the same institute’s policy brief series named China in the World.

In the year 2020/2021 he was a Visiting Scholar in Defence and Security Studies at Nebrija University.

In 2021 he published a monograph titled American Grand Strategy from Obama to Trump: Imperialism After Bush and China’s Hegemonic Challenge (Cham: Palgrave Macmillan). In the same year he is going to publish a chapter on US-China competition in the MENA region as part of the Routledge Handbook on China in the Middle East and North Africa (2021).

Dr Leoni works to engage policy-makers in Italy and the UK, including in 2020 where he worked within the Italian Joint Chiefs of Defence Staff to write Italy’s first civil-military-produced Future Trends Concept 2040+ document, analysing geopolitical, technological, environmental, and economic trends. In the UK he recently supported the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) during a Study Day on China.

At the Joint Services and Staff College he teaches courses on China for the Higher Command and Staff Course (HCSC), whose members come from Five Eyes (FVEY) countries and have the rank of General or equivalent. Meanwhile, every year in Rome he delivers a guest lecture at the Italian Defence Higher Studies Institute (IASD), Italy’s premier defence education institution.

His analyses appeared on Italian, British, and Slovenian media and magazines such as Corriere della Sera, Rai Radio 1, Limes, The Times, and Radio Študent.

Zeno is the Executive Director of ITSS Verona (International Team for the Study of Security Verona), a not-for-profit cultural association committed to spreading knowledge in the broadly conceived field of International Security.

*Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Geopolitics and Empire is joined by Dr. Zeno Leone, who was a lecturer and teaching fellow at the

0:05.6

Defense of Studies Department of King's College London. His research focuses on world order and

0:10.6

hegemonic shifts with a special interest in the hegemonic competition between U.S. and China.

0:15.7

His latest book recently published is American Grand Strategy from Obama to Trump,

0:20.3

imperialism after Bush and China's hegemonic challenge.

0:24.1

Grazie for joining the podcast, Zino, how are things in London?

0:28.7

Okay, thank you very much.

0:31.2

All good here.

0:32.9

All good.

0:33.6

There's a lot happening in London and in the rest of the world.

0:37.5

So it keeps us very busy.

0:39.7

Yes, indeed.

0:41.2

All right, so maybe we can start with your book, and we were discussing.

0:47.3

You can give us just a bit of your theoretical framework.

0:50.4

You write that the interstate geopolitical competition between the U.S. and China has

0:55.5

taken the shape of inter-imperial rivalry and nuance, which you say is neglected by non-Marxists,

1:02.4

though globalization has integrated our economies, states continue to act on geopolitical logic.

1:08.0

You talk about hegemony, empire, the American empire, Marxist imperial theory.

1:12.6

So before we get into the U.S.-China rivalry, perhaps tell us, you know, what is most

1:16.7

important for you when thinking about empire today?

1:21.7

Absolutely. So my, in my book, basically, as you alluded to, I tried to challenge this idea that the study of empire

1:32.3

and imperialism, especially through a Marxist point of view, it couldn't focus on the military,

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