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1 big thing

Zelensky’s bargaining position

1 big thing

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🗓️ 23 March 2022

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday said he was open to dropping Ukraine's demand for full NATO membership, in exchange for an end to Russia's war. Zelensky has been floating other compromise possibilities this week, too, as talks between negotiators continue to fail. So what is Ukraine's president willing to do or to give up to bring Vladimir Putin's attacks to an end? Plus, why mortgage rates are soaring. And, the pandemic renaissance for reading Guests: Axios' Dave Lawler and Erica Pandey. Credits: Axios Today is produced by Niala Boodhoo, Sara Kehaulani Goo, Julia Redpath, Alexandra Botti, Nuria Marquez Martinez, Sabeena Singhani, Lydia McMullen-Laird, and Alex Sugiura. Music is composed by Evan Viola. You can reach us at podcasts@axios.com. You can text questions, comments and story ideas to Niala as a text or voice memo to 202-918-4893. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good morning. Welcome to Axios today. It's March 23rd. We've made it to Wednesday. I'm Nyla Williams.

0:40.2

Today, mortgage rates hit a three-year high. Plus the pandemic renaissance for reading. But first

0:46.2

today's one big thing. Zelensky's bargaining position. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky Monday

0:58.6

said he was open to dropping Ukraine's demand for full NATO membership in exchange for an end to

1:04.3

Russia's war. Zelensky's been floating other compromised possibilities this week too, as talks

1:09.8

between negotiators continue to fail. So what is Ukraine's president willing to do or to give up

1:16.3

to bring Vladimir Putin's attacks to an end? Axios world editor Dave Lawler has more on that. Hey,

1:21.7

Dave. Hi, Nyla. Dave, Ukraine's in a difficult position here. First, can you remind us what Putin

1:27.7

is demanding? Sure. So when Vladimir Putin announced that he was going into Ukraine, he said that he

1:34.4

wanted to, quote, demilitarize and de-notsify the country, which was pretty universally taken

1:41.7

as a demand that Ukraine's entire government change. But we're getting to the point now where

1:47.6

that doesn't look as imminent as perhaps he may have thought it was in the scheme of the war.

1:52.9

And the Russian position has changed somewhat, but they continue to demand neutrality for Ukraine

1:59.5

after the war. They continue to demand that Ukraine recognize Crimea, which was annexed by Russia

2:06.4

in 2014 as part of Russia. And they continue to demand that Ukraine recognize these so-called

2:12.9

republics in eastern Ukraine as independent. So those are their three main demands, even if they're

2:19.7

no longer calling for regime change in Kiev. And that neutrality essentially means no NATO membership?

2:26.1

Right. So we didn't actually know exactly what it meant initially. The Kremlin now says that

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