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Zealot 27: NXIVM with Brock Wilbur

Zealot

Jo Thornely

Comedy

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2019

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Jo Thornely talks to Brock Wilbur about a cult-slash-multi-level-marketing organisation inspired by Scientology, Amway, and deep misogyny: NXIVM.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Sell it.

0:03.0

We're such.

0:05.0

H.

0:07.0

Oh, tell it.

0:11.0

Oh, tell it. We're such professionals. It's broke wheelbar. Hello. Hello, thank you for having me on the shell.

0:23.0

Your work, is it spooky that I'm in the future?

0:27.0

It's still Saturday night where Brock is in the US,

0:31.0

and it's lunchtime where I am which is the most boring thing that I'm going to say for the next hour.

0:40.0

I think we should start by saying that the group we're about to talk about isn't a cult.

0:48.8

Sure, let's say that and wink can you hear winks in an audio medium because that's what we're doing right now.

0:56.0

They themselves say that they're a multi-level marketing organization,

1:01.0

which is like Charles Manson saying I'm not a murderer I'm just a bastard. I think it's

1:10.0

more like him saying that he does like home deliveries like one of those apps like a grub hub or something like

1:16.9

it's not Uber eats it's Uber murders this group they're a multi-level marketing organization that just happened to also have a

1:27.2

charismatic leader, dire consequences when and if you leave a complete lack of autonomy for its members and

1:37.6

sacrificing almost all of your money but not a cult.

1:42.3

Absolutely not a cult. Let's let's specify again for legal reasons because this is one of the things that like

1:49.0

I do love the show and and I love your book and the book does specify in the opening chapter like what you consider a cult to be and what professionals consider a cult to be and let's also acknowledge that the group that we're talking about today checks all those boxes but also we are in the

2:04.1

predicament that this group is still functional and has a lot of money.

2:09.2

It's not a cult that but it coincidentally has almost all of the accepted characteristics of one.

2:15.8

Okay what are they called?

2:19.0

Tell me your stupid name.

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