I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

and we're going to be discussing whether we'll really go to war with Elon Musk's ex, Peter Mandelson's

apology over Jeffrey Epstein, and Zach Polanski telling us we can drive, fly, eat meat, and still

be green, although he doesn't. And joining me, two times columnists, breathing a sigh of relief, not least because one of them is a restaurant critic. And they are Charlotte Ivers and Sir Payne. Hello, Charlotte. Good morning. How's it going? You're not Charlotte, you're said. Oh, I am, yes. Have I got this wrong? How are we both? I'm very content. Yeah, I've had a vaguely productive morning. I painted a shoe rack. There you go. That's some of exciting insight into my life. And then I came into the office and did some admin. What color was the shoe rack and what color it is now? It was white. It's now green. Magnificent. So what color is your shoe rack? Wood. Wood. I don't think we've got a shirac.

We merely have a pile.

The former Conservative Cabinet Minister, Nadim Zahari, has joined Reform UK.

Listen to this.

Britain needs Nigel Farage as Prime Minister.

I know this may come as a surprise to my old party and to many Westminster watchers, but it really shouldn't. And it certainly won't come as a shock to the tens of millions of hard-working, patriotic,

decent people up and down our wonderful United Kingdom, from the Highlands of Scotland to the

bottom of Cornwall, from rural Wales to the beating heart of London.

We can all see that our beautiful, ancient, kind, magical island story has reached a dark and dangerous chapter.

Well, that's Nazim Zaharwe, who has joined Reform UK. Charlotte, this is a big sculpt.

It is rather, and Zem Zaharway is quite a big name within the Conservative Party.

I mean, Cep, correct me if I'm wrong.

His biggest job was he was Chancellor under Liz.

No?

No, very close.

He was Chancellor in the interregnum between Boris Johnson resigning and Liz Trust becoming

Prime Minister, so the summer of 22. So a couple of months. Boris appointed him to show

up his government and he immediately turned on him, as I seem to remember. Oh, that was fun. Yeah. So

when I say big name, obviously, I don't remember everything about this particular gentleman. But

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