Zach Zimmerman is Not Evil

So True with Caleb Hearon

Headgum

Society & Culture, Comedy Interviews, Comedy

4.9 • 975 Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Zach Zimmerman! Zach and Caleb talk moral dilemmas, parental expectations, good vs. evil, praise, so much more!

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0:20.7	Your first great love story is free when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.com. Dot, UK-slash-wondery. That's audible.combe. I think it depends. I think some bad people genuinely say they're bad. There's a troll. Who can never tell a lie. One more time? There's a troll who can never tell a lie.
0:57.8	A third time just to make sure we have it. You got it. How are you, Shiger? I'm hanging in there. Yeah? What does that mean? Live and love and learning. You told me about 10 topics. I think you're the first guest ever to walk in and tell me 10 things I didn't know that I'm not allowed to talk about.
0:56.6	Yep. and learning. What can you, you told me about 10 topics. I think you're the first guest ever to walk in and tell me 10 things I didn't know that I'm not allowed to talk about.
0:58.0	Yep.
1:08.0	It's called boundaries, baby. I'm learning what they are. I'm really happy for you. They're very hard to do. I'm really happy for you. All I want to talk about are those 10 things. Yeah. And so that's, oh, I get it.
1:12.1	So this, yeah, the reason you're having to be so intense about not talking about it is because you're, you're dying to talk about it. Oh, of course.
1:12.8	It's the headline of my summer.
1:14.3	It's hard for, I get it. So this, yeah, the reason you're having to be so intense about not talking about it is because you're dying to talk about it.
1:12.1	Oh, of course.
1:12.8	It's the headline of my summer.
1:27.7	It's hard for us. But I'm processing those things. It's hard for us. But we're the kind of people, I think most comics in general, but we want to talk about everything that's ever happened to us. Oh, yeah. And that's nice in that it's vulnerable.
1:29.7	My friend said, like, that's what she loves about me.
1:29.4	I, like, open up and I share my inner so people can, like, poke around. But I'm
1:33.6	realizing, like, oh, not everyone has, and I'm sort of violating my own boundary now, not everyone has
1:38.4	the purest intentions. Like, hey, this is how to love me is also like, hey, here's how to emotionally abuse me.
1:46.4	And so I need to be a little more mindful about who I let in.
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