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Welcome to Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me, and today we're going to hear from Zach Seward. He's the co-founder and now the owner of Quartz. I have been long overdue and

talking to Zach. He's one of the more thoughtful people in digital media. So I'm glad we get to share this conversation with you. And it's also about perseverance and renewal. So that's a good tone setter for 2021. Before we get to that, though, some thank you. I usually do this at the end of the episodes, but maybe you don't hear those.

So let's do this one at the top.

I want to say thanks to our sponsors who let you hear

this show for free. Thanks to Joel Robbie, who edits this show, which is a lot tougher to do in the

pandemic because sometimes our audio is not so good for these pandemic interviews, and Joel makes

it sound a whole lot better. Thank you, Joel. Special thanks to

Jolani Carter, who produces this show. Also much more difficult to do since March, there's flaky

guests and broadband and emergency pods and pods that shouldn't be emergencies, but we did at the last

minute anyway. I think that I have spent more time with Jolani in 2020 than any other adult

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