There's a part of me that says that if we can go back and just do away with all the social media, we need better off.

And I think that's just largely because I think like the face-to-face interaction is just like so much more valuable.

Humans have a tough time with self-control and I think it's just kind of like a big trap that we've fallen into and

I just don't know that the good things exceed the negative things like being

inspired being motivated being lifted, being lifted up, being connected with someone doesn't have to come through

a screen. Like that could come through actual personal interaction and it would probably

be more meaningful.

Okay, this is the Billying podcast.

After a long hiatus, I am back. Where have I been you may ask? Well it's a bit

complicated and nuanced but I'll try my best to get into it after we wrap up.

My interview with you one and only Zach Miller because it is a longer one and

I don't want to waste too much time here at the jump to those of you who may fall closer to the indifferent side of things as far as my

personal updates are concerned but the punchline obviously is that I am back.

Now you all know my next guest.

He needs very little introduction,

but to those not in the know,

Zach Miller is basically

consider the prefantane of our little sport

that is ultra-running.

His Go Big or Go Home, Red Line from the Gun type approach

to racing makes him definitely a favorite to many,

including yours truly. But it's not only a style that makes him

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