Welcome back to Kaffiru cast everyone. I'm riding the Mike Solo today, but I have

got the great Insta Famous X fighter. What else you got going on? Zach Owens

beyond the backcountry. You used to fight quite a bit didn't you? Yeah I had to

for almost nine years. So was it like a 50-50 ass weapon to whoop an ass

deal or did you have a pretty good record or how'd that go? Because I've never really

asked you about that. I got whipped as a pro. I came up with an amateur like I had a ton of fights as an amateur

before I went pro. I think I had like 18 fights or something. I was pro and lost or as an amateur

and I lost a couple and switched and the level of competition was definitely different. I'm a

striker like standing up and when everybody I fought was like a brown belt in Jiu-Jitsu or

I'm glad I know that. I know if we ever get thrown down I'm a wrestler or not a striker so I have a

feeling I'm gonna take quite a few to the face on the way to taking you down. I won't like that at all.

My Jiu-Jitsu game is decent but not when I'm going against like you know Gracie Brownbale.

It was frustrating. I kind of had that mentality like I didn't really I wasn't really trying to

pad my record and I was literally fighting whoever. Right right right. So as a pro like my three of

my first four opponents were like undefeated you know fighting for like they were you it was just

I shouldn't have done it the way I did it but I had that mentality like

fucking I'll fight anybody you know. Yeah well you're relatively young now so was this like 19 through

24 to eight ish or whatever. Yeah I started yeah I started my I had my first five and I was 17.

Gatson. Yeah and then just yeah stayed with it. I think you know I think I had the the ability and the

skill to go like to the next level and actually make good money from it but you kind of got a

sacrifice to everything and I was with my she's not my wife but my girlfriend at the time and I

didn't really want to move away from my family and stuff so. Gatswell how old are you now? I'm 28.

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