This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silver's. You're listening to Pants-Soupeolitics, where we take a different approach to the show. I am so glad you're here with me today. Alas, Beth is

I'm sick and we are all sending her healing thoughts and well wishes. Luckily,

we have an amazing interview that we did with Aaron Bowdy, a certified inigram teacher and trainer,

to talk about how the presidential cycle works on all our personalities.

And listen, you do not need to be an iniagram expert to listen to this.

You don't even need to know your iniagram number because, one, Aaron is amazing.

And two, what we're really talking about is how this communal stressful experience, we call

presidential election, is going to act on us and how we are going to act towards each other.

And I think that is an interest to everyone.

And then outside of politics, Maggie Pinton, our community engagement director,

is joining me today for outside of politics to talk about laundry because Beth and

I had a conversation

about tension in our households.

Was that on the premium channels, Maggie?

I think so.

I maybe, maybe, I feel like you just like kind of like

just tossed out there that you had

solved laundry. I just, I said I was like, oh by the way guys I've solved laundry and

then we just moved on and all of y'all were like excuse me, excuse me,

because you go back? Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, question, what do you mean?

Can you please tell me?

Yes, that's exactly how it went.

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