Alan and Autumn Ray had been to every marriage class and seminar that they could find, but they still felt like their marriage was not what God wanted it to be.

None of their learning had led to substantive changes in their marriage.

And so they saw the same stagnation and difficulties in the couples around them that they were experiencing in their own marriage.

As they prayed for a solution that would lead

to transformation in marriages and families, they began to train couples in their church to be

marriage coaches using a small packet of enrichment materials. I am really thrilled today to have

Alan and Autumn on the show. You guys are going to love them. They are a national treasure when it comes to marriage.

This might be one of my favorite episodes that I've ever recorded, and I think you're going to love it.

This is the Heidi St. John podcast. Stick around. I think you're welcome to the podcast. I'm glad you guys are here.

We are too.

Thank you so much, Heidi. It's a pleasure.

This is exciting for me. So I've seen you guys wandering the halls of U.S. Digital for a long time. And that's when I first met you

and got to hear about your heart and your passion for marriage and to see marriages succeed. I mean,

I don't think it's any secret that we've got a crisis in our nation

right now as it relates to marriage and family. And the enemy knows, I've been telling couples this

for years and years and years. The enemy knows if he can take out the marriage, he's got a clean

shot at generations. And that's really what this is all about. You guys have a pretty amazing

story of faith in your own marriage.

Tell us a little bit about it.

Alan, I'll go ahead and start with you.

Well, sure.

We weren't Christians when we were married, and it was about 10 years into our marriage

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