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Afford Anything

Your Dream Retirement Might Hinge on This One Choice, featuring Katie Gatti Tassin, host of Money with Katie

Afford Anything

Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

Entrepreneurship, Business, Investing

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2024

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

#541: Ever wondered if you're making the right choice between a Traditional and Roth 401(k)? You're not alone. In this episode, Katie Gatti Tassin, host of MorningBrew’s Money with Katie podcast, joins us to tackle this common retirement savings dilemma. We deep-dive into the debate between using Traditional vs. Roth 401(k) accounts for retirement savings, in the context of: Future tax rates Tax complexities for small business owners and high earners Social Security uncertainty Stock-based compensation Incentives for business owners vs. employees Katie explains her strategy for maximizing retirement savings while minimizing taxes. She suggests that for some people in higher tax brackets, maxing out a traditional 401(k) and then investing the tax savings elsewhere might be the way to go. But as we dig deeper, it becomes clear that there's no one-size-fits-all answer. We explore the Traditional vs Roth question, discussing how your current income and expected retirement spending can affect your choices. It's not just about the math, though. The unpredictability of future tax rates and policies adds another layer of complexity to the decision. Social Security plays a major role, as well. We discuss its current funding situation and the challenges it might face in the future. This leads to a fascinating discussion about how AI might impact future costs and lifestyles. Could things actually get cheaper in the future? Taxes for high earners and small business owners is another focus. We break down some misconceptions about who falls into high tax brackets. It's not always as simple as it seems. Stock-based compensation is another hot topic. We discuss how it affects corporate decision-making and the wider economy. This leads to an interesting comparison of the incentives for business owners versus employees. Throughout the episode, we keep coming back to one key point: no matter which type of account you choose, the most important thing is to contribute as much as you can. Your contribution amount has a bigger impact on your retirement savings than the type of account you use. By the end of this interview, you'll have a better understanding of the factors that go into choosing between a Traditional and Roth 401(k). More importantly, you'll see how this decision fits into the bigger picture of retirement planning and overall financial health. Timestamps: Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising run times. Here are the condensed timestamps and descriptions: 0:00 Introduction 1:46 Katie explains strategy for maximizing retirement savings 3:19 Discuss assumptions behind traditional vs Roth 401(k) decisions 5:54 Compare scenarios of traditional and Roth contributions 8:54 Explore how income affects retirement account choice 13:51 Talk about media's impact on financial perceptions 15:20 Discuss unpredictability of future tax policies 18:03 Explain current state of Social Security funding 21:05 Explore AI's potential impact on future costs 24:41 Discuss how location influences spending habits 28:16 Examine tax implications for high earners 31:12 Talk about effects of stock-based compensation 33:55 Compare incentives for business owners vs employees 36:06 Emphasize importance of contribution amounts For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode541 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Once a week Paula Pan of the Afford-Anything Podcast answers voicemail questions that listeners like you said in. Here's one now.

0:07.0

Hi Paula, I'd be curious to get your take on a stand spent money with Katie has put out there that the traditional

0:16.4

401k is almost always far superior to the Roth for the vast majority of people.

0:24.0

Her argument is that for the traditional 401k because you're not taking that tax hit up front,

0:32.0

you end up putting far more into investments and that amount compounds

0:39.0

over time and that amount will be far larger than what you'll end up saving in taxes down the line with the Roth.

0:52.0

Her argument is even if taxes do increase over time that the math plays out to favor

1:00.5

the traditional 401k as long as you invest the difference in terms of what you

1:09.2

are saving in terms of not paying the taxes up front. I'd be curious to get your

1:16.3

thoughts on this stance. Jesse we have a treat for you. In order to answer that question, we brought Katie on the show, Katie from Money with Katie. Welcome.

1:27.5

Thank you so much, Paula. I'm so excited to be here.

1:30.5

Jesse's calling us with a question about your show.

1:33.4

You should join us for the answer.

1:34.4

Yeah, why not?

1:35.4

Hi, Jesse.

1:36.4

Thanks for listening to my show.

1:38.1

And thanks for doing your due diligence.

1:39.8

Thanks for going to Paula and being like, she's saying this.

1:42.8

Can we confirm?

1:44.2

Maybe you're not really getting what you wanted

1:45.9

because you're just hearing for me again, but, you know.

1:49.4

Well, this could be interesting.

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