‘You’re lying!’: Tories, Reform and Labour clash in feisty Daily T debate
The Daily T
The Telegraph
4.1 • 706 Ratings
🗓️ 30 April 2026
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
To kick off The Daily T On Tour, Conservative, Reform and Labour politicians joined Camilla Tominey and Tim Stanley to go head to head live on stage – and it didn’t disappoint.
James Cleverly, Tory shadow housing secretary, Zia Yusuf, Reform’s home affairs spokesman and James Murray, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, hashed it out about the immigration “invasion” of Britain; how Starmer’s Government is clobbering the middle class; and if our diminished military could defend the Falklands today.
In a sometimes testy exchange, Mr Cleverly attacked Reform’s record in local government, Mr Yusuf went after the Tories over immigration figures, and Mr Murray was almost laughed out the room when he tries to defend Labour’s welfare policies.
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Producers: Georgia Coan and Lilian Fawcett
Senior Producer: John Cadigan
Executive Producer: Charlotte Seligman
Video Producer: Will Walters
Camera Operator: Andy Mackenzie
Editor: Camilla Tominey
Highlights
- Tories, Labour and Reform go head-to-head with a live audience
- Spokesman clash on immigration, welfare and tax
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| 0:00.0 | The Telegraph. |
| 0:10.1 | Tim, we're in very sunny, Worthing. |
| 0:12.8 | We're by the seaside because we're just about to record a right royal special on the daily tea. |
| 0:18.4 | That's going out tomorrow, Friday, as a weekend episode. Today's |
| 0:22.9 | episode is the first day of the road show that we recorded on Monday night in Westminster. |
| 0:28.1 | That's right. We had a question time style debate, and we were joined by James Murray for |
| 0:32.5 | Labour, who works at the Treasury, by James Cleverley, who Shadow. Housing. Well done. For the Conservative Party. |
| 0:40.6 | And Zia Yusuf, who is Shadow... Home Affairs spokesman. And head of policy? |
| 0:46.5 | He was head of policy and chairman, but I can't keep up. Many hats, many hats for the Reform Party |
| 0:52.3 | and an audience of thousands. |
| 0:54.7 | Indeed, cast of thousands and, let's be honest, quite a few ding-dongs on stage. |
| 0:59.6 | So please do enjoy this special Daily Tea, Politics Special in London, with me Camilla Tomini. |
| 1:06.1 | And me Tim Stanley. Before we bring out our special guests, the Prime Minister has said that he intends to fight |
| 1:24.6 | the next election. Assuming he means the local elections, he might just make it, |
| 1:34.0 | but it's touch and go. It's touch and go. And as we speak, the king and queen have landed |
| 1:39.7 | in America. Yes. And we were theorizing what Donald Trump might make of whoever comes next Tim. |
| 1:48.0 | What might he make of the key leadership rivals to Kirstama? |
| 1:53.0 | Well, obviously, Ed Miliband wouldn't get within 50 yards of the White House because he looks |
| 1:58.0 | like a single-person shooter. |
| 2:09.6 | West Streeting would freak him out with those scary eyes and keep saying, I'm shocked, I'm shocked by everything he says. |
| 2:12.6 | Andy Burnham would so confusion because he's king of the North, |
| 2:15.6 | that I only thought I met the king. |
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