Normally we come in and whoever the we is it's often North Americans or people with

wealth and we say we are here to help you with your needs and here are all

the the answers when it's much better because of how God has worked is when you come

in to look for what God is already doing because these people have gifts and

abilities we need to help them recognize the dignity God has given and help them use

the gifts that God has given.

And that is a very different equation because that all sudden realizes we are impoverished if we're

not there to receive if we're just there to give. Welcome to Family Life Today,

to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at family life

today.com. This is family life today. We've got Kelly and Tabitha cappic back in the studio.

Welcome back guys, a family life today.

Oh, it's good to be with you.

Favorite place to be in the world, right?

There you go.

Yeah, and you guys, you know, we've talked about different things with you, but a book called Becoming Whole.

Kelly, how long has this been out?

It's been out, I don't know, three or four years, I'm not very good on judging, but I wrote this with an economist Brian Pickert.

Many of your listeners will know Brian's work, he wrote when helping hurts, which has been a really important book.

So that it came out about 10 years or so afterwards to try and say,

there's concerns about ways we've tried to help the poor in problematic ways,

but the problem was some people were taking that book and

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