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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

‘You only win if you fight:' Will Gallego unseat Sinema?

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

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4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2022

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

This week Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza is in Arizona to dig into a few big plotlines ahead of this year’s elections. Trump narrowly lost the state in 2020, Senator Mark Kelly – the Democratic incumbent – is one of the most vulnerable senators up for reelection this year and strategists are already looking at the 2024 Senate election to see who will run against Kyrsten Sinema. On this week’s Playbook Deep Dive Episode, Ryan joins Rep. Ruben Gallego for a long dinner and a few drinks. They discuss Gallego’s fraught history with Sinema, a potential campaign against her in 2024, the political environment in Arizona ahead of midterms and his deployment in the Iraq war. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Rep. Ruben Gallego is the congressman for Arizona's 7th district.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Carlos Prieto is a producer for POLITICO audio.Brook Hayes is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think I would work that I just worked on a lot of smaller petitions is that

0:05.4

Huh, Kirsten's cinema worked on that campaign as well. Yeah, she's my boss. Was she

0:10.4

good boss to you? Let's say you actually, I would say overall she's a good boss

0:14.7

She fired me eventually, but

0:19.3

That's representative Ruben Gallego, a four-term congressman from Arizona. We're

0:25.1

Buck and Ryder, an upscale seafood restaurant in Phoenix. It was empty and quiet

0:30.3

when just the two of us met here in the daylight at 4.30 and it was packed and

0:35.4

raucous when our party which had ballooned to five by then stumbled out into

0:40.9

the darkness after 10 p.m. It was that kind of interview. Oh no, no, no, that's a

0:51.4

not cool. These guys have known me forever. That's not cool. This is Playbook Deep

0:54.8

Dive. I'm Ryan Liza. It's been showed up. Told old campaign stories and gossiped

1:01.3

about Arizona politics. Gallego talked about what it was like to think he was

1:05.8

going to die in Iraq and then again on January 6th. He was brutally honest about

1:11.5

what he really thinks about Senator Kirsten's cinema. We drank a lot.

1:16.9

Basil Hayden double on the rocks, please. And I'll have a a Rhyman hadn't up. And

1:23.7

there's a there's a double for the basil. Wow, these really worried about this

1:27.6

interview, huh? Yeah, and they oak. What do you have for shrimp? Back to Gallego in a moment.

1:34.2

The reason I'm in Arizona is because the state is rife with political intrigue

1:39.0

these days. There are a few big plotlines here. The first is about Donald Trump. In

1:45.7

2020, Trump lost the state by just 10,000 votes. Georgia was the only state with a

1:50.5

slumber margin. Arizona quickly became a hotbed of election fraud conspiracy

1:55.5

theories stoked by Trump, who not surprisingly chose the state for his first post

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