Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder as well as profanity.

Today, we're going to talk about something we have wondered about for years.

At virtually the same time, the four employees were being taken from the Speedway Burger Chef.

Police pulled over a car just a few blocks away.

The vehicle had been making erratic movements.

In the moments before the officer approached the car, the driver threw a loaded 38 caliber gun out the window.

Incredibly, the cop didn't notice and soon sent the man on his way without even giving him a ticket.

Since he's never been charged in connection with the burger chef murders, we'll refer to that driver as Terry, which is not his real name.

But who was Terry?

What was he doing so close to the burger chef with a loaded gun?

Did he have anything to do with the murders?

Or did he just have the incredible bad luck to be in the worst possible place at an unimaginably wrong time?

Well, we finally managed to track him down by discovering his phone number.

Before calling him, we decided to brainstorm how to handle the conversation.

Kevin first got this man's real name from the late Donovan Lindsay, an Indiana State Police Investigator who worked on this case for years.

The driver respected Lindsay, and so we figured we'd mention that Kevin had known him and had interviewed him extensively about the case.

We also considered how we'd sound to this man, two late-night collars bugging him about his connection to a decades-old cold case.

We didn't want to be accusatory, so we decided to convey that we thought of him not as a suspect, but more as a witness, who may have seen something important.

With that in mind, we gave him a call.

Hello.

Hi there. My name is Anya Cain. I'm calling with my husband, Kevin Greenley.

We were hoping to speak to you about the burger chef case. Donovan told us that you were sort of a witness that night, and we were curious.

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