This is Find Your Dream Job, the podcast that helps you get hired, have the career you want, and make a difference in life.

I'm your host, Mack Pritchard. I'm also the founder of Mack's List. It's a job board in the Pacific Northwest that helps you find a fulfilling career.

Every Wednesday, I talk to a different expert about the tools you need to get the work you want. It's never been easier to apply for jobs online. In fact, it's so easy that many candidates do nothing but use job boards like the one we

run at Bax List. That's a mistake, says this week's guest. Swati Barik is here to discuss why you need to

talk to others to get the job you want. She's the founder of Greater Good Careers. It's a career

and leadership coaching business for mission-driven

professionals and lawyers, and she joins us from New York City. Well, let's jump right into it,

Swathi. Why is it important to do more than apply online? I think today in the modern way that

jobs are posted with thousands of potential applicants to anyone

job posting, your application often gets lost in the shuffle. It's really hard to stand out

whenever there are so many applicants who want the same type of job as you. And so the way to get

around that is to have conversations

to talk to people, to get clear on what the employers are looking for, to get a sense if it's a

right fit for you, and then also to, you know, potentially get your foot in the door by making a

connection that can refer you for the job and get you out of that stack of thousands of applicants.

I want to talk more about the power of conversation. Before we get there, Swathi, what happens

in your experience as a coach with people who just focus on sending out applications? What

happens next to those candidates? Yeah, they get really frustrated. I often see on

LinkedIn people talking about how they've applied to thousands of jobs, but haven't heard back

and haven't gotten interviews, have no feedback essentially on what's happening and why they

aren't hearing for employers. So the more that you

have these conversations, the less likely you are to be spinning your wheels where you feel like

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