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The Daily Stoic

You Need An Ethical Will | Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling

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🗓️ 21 June 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Bruce Springsteen once said we can be an ancestor for our children, or a ghost. Father’s Day is a good time to ask which one we’re becoming. In today’s episode, Ryan talks with Lieutenant General Mark Hertling about the lessons we hope our children inherit from us. Mark’s book, If I Don’t Return: A Father’s Wartime Journal, began as a way to pass down guidance to his sons during a deployment he knew he might not come home from. Ryan and Mark discuss the idea of an ethical will, the responsibility parents have to talk openly about failure, and the importance of teaching children what our own scar tissue has taught us. 


Lieutenant General (Ret.) Mark Hertling served 38 years in the U.S. Army, rising from tank platoon leader to commander of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army. His career included combat tours in Desert Storm and Iraq, where he commanded the 1st Armored Division, prepared U.S. and allied forces for deployment, and helped support military transformation across Eastern Europe.


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0:00.0

Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, designed to help bring those four key stoic virtues,

0:07.8

courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world.

0:14.4

Hey, it's Ryan.

0:15.7

Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast.

0:18.9

Today is Father's Day.

0:20.2

Yesterday, we did a deep dive

0:21.6

into Marcus Riales and Antoninus, what Marcus learns from his stepfather. That was a sort of

0:27.4

how-to father episode. And then the second half of that episode was maybe a little bit what

0:32.4

not to do about Tom Junoad's complicated relationship with his father when he came on the Daily

0:36.9

Stoic podcast.

0:38.2

Today, I am talking to Lieutenant General Mark Hurtling.

0:43.0

He spent almost 40 years in the U.S. Army.

0:46.0

He started as a tank platoon leader, became commander of U.S. Army Europe and the 7th Army.

0:51.7

He did combat tours in Desert Storm and Iraq. And then he helped support

0:55.9

military transformation across Eastern Europe, spent, you know, many years in uniform, many years

1:02.0

deployed, was in combat many times. Thankfully, he came home, but there were many moments, I'm sure,

1:07.6

where he didn't know if he would return. And that's, he has this great

1:11.8

book called, If I Don't Return, a Father's Wartime Journal, which were the thoughts that he put down

1:18.0

on his first deployment when he was told there would be casualties as high as 50% in his unit.

1:23.3

You know, what did he want to leave to his two young sons? It's sort of an ethical will.

1:27.4

It's a great book. You should definitely read it. And I'm going to bring out a fuller episode later, but he and I wanted to talk about some fatherhood stuff. I think you're really going to like it. It's a pallet cleanser after Tom Junoad's sort of complicated relationship with his father. But you should definitely read Tom

1:44.8

Juno's book in the days of my youth. I was told what it means to be a man. It's a great book. And so is

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