You're listening to Math and Magic, a production of IHeart Radio.

Welcome to a special bonus episode of Math and Magic. I'm Bob Pittman.

Remarkable careers, unyielding passion, and strong instincts are traits all of our guests have in common. But they've

each navigated different paths to establish their legacies. I believe in anyone's success story,

there's one improbable jump, whether a promotion or a pivot or a lesson or stroke of luck. There's

usually a key moment that unlocks new possibilities. In today's bonus episode, we're examining those career jumps.

I think there's a lot to learn and be inspired by along the way.

Ryan Seacrest is known by many as the hardest working person in showbiz.

He's the long-running host of American Idol.

Of course, he was also on screen for six years of live with Kelly and Ryan,

and has recently taken over Pat Sajack's iconic role as the host of Wheel of Fortune.

But he's behind the scenes, too, creating shows like Keeping Up with Kardashians.

On top of everything, he's on the air every morning with Iheart, broadcasting on over

100 radio stations nationwide.

I wanted to know about his most important steps along the way.

Did you intend to do all those things, or did it just sneak up on you?

I never intended to do all of those things. I wanted to move to Los Angeles when I was growing up in Atlanta.

I had a dream to do that when I was a teenager. I made that dream come true when I was 19, still a teenager.

I studied the work of Merv Griffin, Dick Clark, both guys who had a radio and TV career and both entrepreneurs

and both asset owners and both very, very smart, but also very good presenters on air.

And I watched how they maneuvered the skills of business and the skills of performance and what that intersection

was for them. And in my head, I felt, okay, if I could take baby steps towards those paths,

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