We're back! We're back! It's the distraction. I'm Drew Roth is out on vacation of flying solo, baby.

And here to join me this week is our guest. He's a best-selling author, historian,

an occasional defector contributor, Paul Kicks, whose new book you have to be prepared to die

before you can begin to live is in bookstores right now. I don't, Paul.

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me, Drew.

I, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on because I read the book in like two days, and now like,

like I was already radicalized, like that was like a decade ago, but now I'm re-racalized.

I remember that book. It's through a wall. That's a great book. It really, I cannot,

we had John Valley, and unless we can, I loved his book, and I loved your book. We only,

we don't have authors on if I don't like the book. I was going to, I was looking through the,

the, the, the canon there, and I'm like, I'm not seeing too many authors, so they must have

either really liked it, or they're about to pan the shit out of it. So why, I think it's,

well, the other thing is that there's no sports, like the zero sports going on right now.

There's zero sports. Like, even the women's world cup, I thought the women's world cup,

like we started doing previews, like last month, and I was like, oh, I must be coming on soon.

Like, I was checking like my TV and stuff. Like, I'm going to watch some soccer. It's going to,

get, get, get, get. Let's start until like next week. I was like, what the fuck? Like, what am I

supposed to do? Like, talk to my family. This is bullshit. Horrible. Paul, your book is about

the most critical time in the history of the civil rights movement. It was 10 weeks of protests.

The took place in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963. Now, these protests were led

were a make or break moment, not just for the civil rights movement, but also for Martin Luther

King as its leader. Would that be fair to say in all regards? I think you can, we can go even bigger.

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