People used to say, like, if you love what you do, you'd do it for free.

And I was like, wait, no, no, there's a different level.

If you love what you do, they couldn't pay you to stop.

And when I realized, like, how much money would you have had to give Steve jobs to not work at Apple?

The answer is there is no, it was not, you couldn't pay him, I'll give you two trillion dollars, Steve, but you can't

ever work on an Apple, you can't build a product in. He'd say no, he's not doing, that's not

what he's doing. He liked hitting the ball. He liked making great products, the best products,

some of the best products in the world, and he did is a good way of fast way of their wealth creation.

I'm going to start, scale, sell, and then they piece out.

But I think the greatest founders, the people that are, like, they're doing it for other reasons.

I'm going to show you how great I am.

This is a lot of $5.00.

I just want to say from the bottom of me, heart, I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.

Hello and welcome to How to Take Over the World.

This is Ben Wilson, and this episode is a conversation between myself and David Senra, host of the Founders podcast.

We talk about the most important lessons we have learned from studying history's greatest leaders and founders,

what the greatest and most important biographies are that we would recommend to anyone,

the power of podcasting, whether anyone has it within themselves to become a founder,

whether it's better to be Jeff Bezos or Napoleon, and more, I just re-listen to anyone, the power of podcasting, whether anyone has it within themselves to become a founder, whether it's better to be Jeff Bezos or Napoleon, and more. I just re-listened to it,

and I think this is a really fun conversation. David is just so engaging, and I think he has

really valuable insights, so I think you guys will love this episode. Special thanks to Sierra

for helping make this conversation happen. So without further ado, please enjoy this episode with David Senra.

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