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Now, today we are getting back into another part of a conversation that I had with

spiritual leader, podcaster, faith leader, Tim Ross, and Noah Mills, who is a mental

health advocate and former Miss Delaware USA

2023. But this time we're talking about the fact that you cannot pray it away. Now a lot of

y'all know what I'm talking about when it comes to mental health things, when it comes to

things you're dealing with. When it comes to the things that you were just going to the people

and saying, hey, I need some help about. We all have been told, just get down and pray, baby.

That don't work. And we're going to talk about it. Talk a bit about, because I know, Tim,

you know, you've been very intentional about even how you talk about therapy and comparing it to like regular health checkups, right?

And doing this in your church.

Pray it away has been here for a very, very long time.

What's been your battle with trying to turn the conversation away from pray it away in your church

to get people into a space where they understand that no, something's wrong?

Yeah, trying to create safe spaces in church, I don't know why. This is so difficult. It's a major frustration for me

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