Hello and welcome back to Maine Justice.

It is Tuesday morning.

June 2nd.

I'm Andrew Weissman, and I'm here with the great, wonderful, terrific Mary McCord.

Well, with that intro, I mean, we should just mic drop and be done.

Okay.

Well, anyway, thanks for listening.

This has been an insane week because I know you've been incredibly busy.

I've been incredibly busy on book stuff.

I know we're going to actually talk about an op-ed.

I am dying to hear, Mary, we have not had a chance to talk about it.

No, we haven't.

So I'm really dying to hear what you think about it because this falls into my, as you can tell, Mary, I am very much thinking about systemic reform issues. Yep. Because it's like. As we all should be. Yeah. I mean, I know lots of people are thinking about that's sort of hopeful because it's like if we get out

of this mess, what we can do to build the norms back. And this is one area I know you and I have

talked about is what restraints we want on our former selves. Anyway, there's so much that we want to

talk about because it's been a fascinating week.

There's been really, it's hard to say good news, but it is because we've seen so many

examples of principled behavior in all sorts of walks of life.

With that lead in, Mary, how are we going to divide up our time together?

Yeah, well, that's a perfect segue to we're seeing, and this is not a new theme,

judges pushing back, right?

Judges pushing back.

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