My guest today, Jennifer Pasteloff, pretty much spent the better part of her adult life

believing she was a bad person because of a single sentence that came out of her mouth

when she was eight years old and what unfolded shortly after that.

She navigated the next chunk of years moving in and out of deep depression, anxiety, trying

to control what happened in her life through her eating and at the same time without letting

anyone know was slowly losing her hearing and interacting with the world in a very

different way.

That led her eventually to a series of moments that she describes as a rope being dropped

into a well that allowed her to climb back up and try to be human, to reclaim her own

humanity, to redefine her life, and to explore what it means to be human and to be alive.

As she was doing that, she began to write about what she was experiencing in a very real

and vulnerable way and share it publicly and realize that other people felt the same way.

And that built a substantial, she would not live the word following, but a lot of people

resonated profoundly with what she was writing and sharing in the journey she was on.

She began teaching, she began working with people on leading retreats called on being

human and that has led to a new memoir called on being human as well, which is beautifully

written that details a lot of this journey.

In today's conversation, we drop into some of the big moments of awakening, the points

of departure and inquiry along the way and how she is still very much in this adventure of

trying to figure out what it means to be human and share it with others and help others

along the way.

So excited to share this conversation.

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