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You and Me and Mr. Self-Esteem

Radiolab

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History, Science, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Society & Culture

4.644.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Most of us spend some part of our lives feeling bad about ourselves and wanting to feel better. But this preoccupation is a surprisingly new one in the history of the world, and can largely be traced back to one man: a rumpled, convertible-driving California state representative named John Vasconcellos who helped spark a movement that took over schools, board rooms, and social-service offices across America in the 1990s. This week, we look at the rise and fall of the self-esteem movement and ask: is it possible to raise your self-esteem? And is trying to do so even a good idea? Special thanks to big thank you to the University of California, Santa Barbara Library for use of audio material from their Humanistic Psychology Archives and to their staff for helping located so many audio recordings. EPISODE CREDITS: Reported by - Heather Radke and Matt Kielty Produced by - Matt KietlyFlute performance and compositions by -  Ben BatchelderVoiceover work by - Dann FinkFact-checking by - Anna Pujol-Mazzini and  Angely Mercadoand Edited by  - Pat Walters EPISODE CITATIONS: Articles - UCSB Humanistic Psychology Archive (https://zpr.io/HfVjUmvcVevE) Books - Selfie: How We Became So Self-Obsessed and What It's Doing to Us (https://zpr.io/eGRyqz9zNQHu) by Will Storr. Counterpoint, 2018. A Liberating Vision (https://zpr.io/tJn7BR5m84fv) by Vasconcellos, John. Impact Publishers, Inc., 1979 The Therapeutic State (https://zpr.io/tJn7BR5m84fv) by Nolan, James, Jr. NYU Press, 1998 Sign up for our newsletter. It includes short essays, recommendations, and details about other ways to interact with the show. Sign up (https://radiolab.org/newsletter)! Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab (https://members.radiolab.org/) today. Follow our show on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @radiolab, and share your thoughts with us by emailing radiolab@wnyc.org.Leadership support for Radiolab’s science programming is provided by the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, Science Sandbox, a Simons Foundation Initiative, and the John Templeton Foundation. Foundational support for Radiolab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.

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You're listening to Radio Lab.

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Radio Lab.

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From W. N. Y.

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C.

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See?

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Yeah.

0:19.0

Hello? Can you hear me?

0:20.4

Yeah, yeah. We hear you. We're just ignoring you.

0:22.6

Okay, that's fine.

0:23.4

You were not. I was waiting until it was recording.

0:26.7

Hey, I'm Latif Nasser. This is Radio Lab.

0:29.2

And today...

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Do you know what this is about at all, Lottif?

0:32.7

Only vaguely, only two words.

0:35.1

A story from a pair of friends.

0:37.3

Producer Matt Kilty and contributing editor, Heather Radke.

0:41.7

You want to say them?

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