All right. Welcome listeners to episode 96 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your

podcast co-host and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam Heather Bell.

Hey Sam, hello Matt. I just want to get out of the way for listeners this is not an episode on the

assassination attempt on Donald Trump or the Republican National Convention

though we are going to record on those topics soon. This is something different but equally timely in many ways.

Sam, why don't you tell our listeners what we got cooked up for this episode?

Yeah, this is an episode about the relationship between Israeli illiberalism, Israeli Zionism, and the global far right.

Basically how Israel's model of illiberal democracy is being exported to right-wing

movements and parties all over the world. It's a story that we've been watching

closely, but I think one that gets under covered, both in the context of coverage of Israel's

genocidal war in Gaza, but also the way that people tend to cover right-wing movements around the world, they don't pay as much

attention to the fact that, well, this very prominent and close putative ally of America and Western Europe is actually a model for how you might run a

country which treats many of the people under its control as inhuman or at least not democratic subjects.

Yes, and our guests for this conversation, we really were excited to have on Suzanne Schneider

in part because when Sam and I guest edited the spring

issue of dissent the special section of the global far right, Suzanne wrote a really

incredible essay on the illiberal democratic model of Israel.

The model that Sam you were just referencing.

And she'd also written on Yuram Hazoni,

a figure we've talked about on the podcast before who is kind of the brain behind the National Conservatism

conferences, a defender of nationalism specifically.

Suzanne references a book of his that came out a few years ago on the virtues of nationalism

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