Yiyun Li: ‘The Wound That Won’t Heal’
All There Is with Anderson Cooper
CNN
4.8 • 10.3K Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to All There Is. Wherever you are in your grief, you're not alone, and I'm glad you're here. |
| 0:07.0 | It's my brother's birthday in a couple days. It's another one of those days on the calendar that I've always dreaded. |
| 0:14.0 | Carter Cooper would be turning 61 on January 27th. He killed himself when he was 23. It's incredible to me that it has been 38 years, |
| 0:24.7 | and still how he died, the horror of it, the violence. It overshadows everything about his life |
| 0:33.2 | for me. And I wish that wasn't the case, and I hope that one day it won't be. I spoke recently on |
| 0:40.1 | All There Is Live, my streaming show on CNN.com slash all there is with a mom named Chrissy Kay |
| 0:46.8 | whose son Forrest died by suicide six years ago and she talked about how her grief this year |
| 0:53.3 | has changed in a way that allows her to see her son again as he was, not just as he died. |
| 1:00.6 | This year, like a change happened. |
| 1:03.5 | It wasn't like there was like this precipitating event like, oh, now things are different. |
| 1:10.7 | This year, I entered September. Okay. precipitating event like, oh, now things are different this year. |
| 1:11.6 | I entered September without my gut twisting, without having this feeling of dread. |
| 1:21.6 | And I was like, this is curious, what's going on here? |
| 1:26.2 | And then I continued to feel not just okay, but like good, |
| 1:34.2 | that I was feeling him in ways that I haven't been able to |
| 1:38.5 | and not like signs, but just like love. |
| 1:43.5 | Like it just, I'm like, oh, I can, I can reach you now. |
| 1:47.2 | I can find you here however you appear. |
| 1:49.6 | I find you in my heart. |
| 1:51.3 | And before I feel like it was, the anchor to him ended up being like finding him. |
| 1:58.6 | That was the anchor. |
| 1:59.7 | That tether was like the closest memory of him that I had. |
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