Hi, this is Judge Glock, the Manhattan Institute. Welcome to Ten Blocks.

I'm here today with Nicole Nozick,

the founder and head of Texans for Reasonable Solutions. Nicole has been one of the most powerful

forces for housing reform in Texas over the last three or so years. And Texas, over that period,

has represented a model that I think, and I think many others think, is a very interesting model that

the rest of the nation should pay attention to in terms of loosening up regulations and restrictions

on housing. Nicole, thanks for coming on the show. Thank you. It's a real honor to be here.

So, Nicole, how did you get into housing reform originally, or why did you get into housing reform?

You know, it's funny, having at one point in my life lived in the Bay Area, you really learn what not to do on housing by looking at San Francisco.

So in understanding what good housing policy looks like, it's almost important to understand what bad housing policy looks like. And somehow,

me living in San Francisco, working as a paralegal, studying to go to law school, I was working

about 40, 50 hours a week. And despite that, after paying rent, living in a situation where

there was a three-bedroom apartment in one room

there was the landlord and his wife and his child the other room was a young professional

I was in the third room shared a bathroom it was very very squished despite that after paying rent

groceries I ended up having about a thousand,000 in my bank account, if I was lucky, every month.

And it caused me to take a step back and think, something is wrong with this picture.

And as I started sort of going down the rabbit hole and getting involved with a group of similar individuals who also were looking down the

rabbit hole of something is wrong here you heard about these insane policies there's a policy in

san francisco for discretionary review where anybody across the entire city can decide that they

don't want you to renovate your window in a certain way or put a certain color palette on your

townhome or on your home. And because of that, it will add four to 18 months of delay. It has to go in

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