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Hello, I'm Alicia McCarthy. Thanks for downloading the Yesterday in Parliament podcast.

On Monday the 19th of May, the government was defeated in the Lords for a third time

in a battle over protections for artists, writers, musicians and all those who work in the creative

industries.

As Paul McCartney once said, some people want to fill the world with silly love songs.

The question is, who in the world is going to pay for them?

Some artificial intelligence programmes mine or learn from online content to generate new material,

but dozens of high-profile artists, including

the former Beatle and Elton John, are speaking out against AI companies using copyrighted work

without permission. In The Lords, a former EastEnders star and now non-affiliated peer, Michael,

now Lord Cashman, explained rights payments could be crucial

to people like his old acting friend, Claire Davenport, who'd had success in her early career.

A cheque would arrive from something that she had done maybe 10, 15 or 20 years ago. And Claire,

who was famous for her ample bosom, used to take the check,

rub it across her ample cherished parts of her talent and say, now I can eat.

His graphic illustration of the point came as peers made a third attempt to insert a change

into the government's data bill. The director of one of the Brid came as peers made a third attempt to insert a change into the government's data bill.

The director of one of the Bridget Jones movies and now independent peer, Lady Kidron,

is leading the charge to make companies reveal what material they've used to train their AI models.

She reckoned the government had got the balance between big tech and the creatives wrong.

They have been turned by the sweet whisperings of Silicon Valley,

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