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We are here to talk about health care today, public health, RFK, vaccines, and then government

health care programs and what the Donald Trump and the Republicans want to do to Obamacare.

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the bulwark.com. Andrew, you wrote this morning a very real call to arms, I think, about some news

that came out late last week from RFK at the Department

of Health and Human Services about vaccines. Before we get into what your argument was,

what was the news? I hadn't even realized until I read your newsletter this morning. We're really

getting it with both barrels right now, right? I mean, we've got this stuff that I wrote about happening in the White House at Health and Human Services, kind of like the destruction from within. And then on the other side of things, we've got congressional Republicans gearing up to make all these sort of cuts from outside, cuts to the money going in, changes to the programs in various ways. We're going to talk about all that. So let's start with what I wrote about, which is the RFK stuff.

I don't think it's it's blowing anybody's mind to hear that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is not a major

fan of vaccines. That's been basically a through line of his political project for decades. I mean,

for going back long before he was ever on Donald

Trump's radar as Health and Human Services, kind of the first thing he and Trump bonded over

way back in the day was their shared suspicion that vaccines were, childhood vaccinations,

were related to autism, which has been thoroughly debunked many, many times.

Since he got in at HHS, he has been sort of laying the

groundwork for a number of these things. He's been mostly working in kind of the messaging

realm and the personnel realm. He's been saying a lot of things about, you know, vaccine injury

and making a lot of claims about supposed insufficient safety testing for vaccines. And he has also

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