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Deadline: White House

“Yes, he thinks you’re idiots”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

News, Versant, Ms Now, Donald Trump, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Nbc News, Washington Dc, Msnbc, Government

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace is joined by Adam Goldman, Michael Feinberg, Sue Gordon, Vaughn Hillyard, Rev. Al Sharpton, John Heilemann, Mitch Landrieu, Charlie Sykes, Michele Norris, Ian Bassin, and Dr. Irwin Redlener.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in the east, polygraph tests, forced retirements,

0:10.3

and sudden, mysterious, unexplained absences. A wave of brand new reporting reveals that the

0:16.4

nation's top law enforcement agency has devolved into a Lord of the Fly situation under Donald Trump.

0:23.6

The New York Times reveals that the FBI has turned a tool normally used to root out those

0:28.5

who may have betrayed the country against their own.

0:31.9

Dozens of top FBI officials have reportedly been forced to take polygraph tests.

0:37.4

Many of them have been asked,

0:38.7

quote, whether they have said anything negative about FBI director Cash Patel. In one instance,

0:44.5

officials were forced to take a polygraph as the agency sought to determine who disclosed the

0:50.0

news that Mr. Patel had demanded a service weapon, an unusual request given that he's not an agent.

0:57.5

The FBI has declined to comment to the New York Times, but former FBI officials are speaking out.

1:03.2

The New York Times reports this, quote, the moves, former bureau officials say, are politically charged and highly inappropriate,

1:13.1

underscoring what they describe as an alarming quest for fealty at the FBI, where there is little tolerance for dissent. Disparaging

1:19.2

Mr. Patel or his deputy, Dan Bongino, former officials say, could cost people their job. One of the

1:26.2

agents who was ordered to take a polygraph test was a guest

1:29.0

on this program on Wednesday, Michael Feinberg. He was forced out of the FBI over his friendship with

1:35.6

former FBI agent Pete Strach, who has been a target of Donald Trump's now for years and years and years.

1:42.2

In a post last week on the Lawfare blog, he writes this, quote,

1:45.7

I would be asked to submit to a polygraph exam probing the nature of my friendship with Pete Strzok,

1:52.0

and as I was quietly informed by another friendlier senior employee, but could only be described as

1:57.8

a latter day struggle session. I would be expected to grovel, beg forgiveness,

2:02.8

and pledge loyalty as part of the FBI's cultural revolution brought about by Patel and Bongino's

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