Hi, Bill Crystal here. Editor Large at the Bullwork. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. Very pleased to be joined by Ron Brownstein.

Really, one of our best, maybe our best, political commentator, election analyst, a veteran of many cycles and many very intelligence and informative commentaries on our elections.

So, Ron, thanks for joining me. I should say you can read Ron at CNN, at Bloomberg, watch them on CNN, read his latest book.

Rock me on the water.

Lock me on the water on culture, music, movies in L.A. and 74.

L.A. in 1974, yep.

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I've read some of it.

And you and I discussed, actually, what's the discussion of all in the family yep, yeah. Yeah, that's very interesting. I've read some of it. And we and I discussed actually once the discussion of all in the family and

the late Rob Reiner and stuff and how important that was.

Do you discuss Springsteen in the book?

I can't remember.

Only briefly as kind of the turning of the page in 75 as cultural influence moved back to New York with the punks and born to run and a bunch

of other developments. But yeah, Patty Smith. But I did just write, you know, I wrote a piece this

week actually in Bloomberg looking at kind of the split screen. And this is true, Bill. I think

you would agree in almost every sector of society where the leaders of the entertainment industry, the people who own it, are bowing to Trump.

And you're seeing this tremendous mobilization among the artists, right? The people who create the popular culture.

And the same thing I think you're seeing in law firms, universities elsewhere. The people at the top are looking for ways to profit or get by through these kind of

assaults on the constitutional system.

And ordinary, you know, folks, if you count Bruce as an ordinary folk, are looking

for ways to push back on it.

As I pointed out on the story, you know, this was pretty much the model up and up through

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