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Plain English with Derek Thompson

"Yes, AI Is a Bubble. There Is No Question."

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

The AI buildout continues to break records, as the hyperscalers pour hundreds of billions of dollars into chips and data centers, even as investors punish their stock prices. But the revenue side of the ledger is showing signs of takeoff. In the last few weeks, OpenAI and Anthropic have added billions of dollars of cash, on their way to becoming two of the fastest growing companies in history. Last year, Derek was convinced that AI was on its way to being one of the biggest bubbles in modern capitalism’s history. But the torpid rise of AI agents is starting to change his mind. So he wanted to bring someone on to test his evolving theory. The investor and writer Paul Kedrosky returns to the show to make his own case even more firmly: AI is a bubble, and the evidence is all around us. Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Check out Paul's podcast 'The Nick, Dick and Paul Show' on YouTube and Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/@nickdickpaul https://open.spotify.com/show/6mxUS2hFE2hdaNx1sjhdYu?si=67add32695c546bf Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Paul Kedrosky Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

There's a theory about technology and how it changes the world that I find myself going back to over and over again.

0:13.7

Carlotta Perez, in her book, Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital, proposed that whether it's the railroads or the canals or

0:22.2

radio or the internet, what tends to happen is this. Companies get so excited about the prospect

0:28.6

of the next big thing that they always overbuilt. Spending always races ahead of revenue. What follows

0:35.5

is a crash and then a golden age. It's important to say,

0:39.8

of course, that the railroads and the internet were both bubbles and life-altering inventions.

0:46.0

The bubble and the golden age are not one thing or the other. In fact, they tend to follow

0:50.4

in a particular sequence. So here's where we are today with artificial intelligence.

0:56.7

The biggest companies investing in artificial intelligence are spending about $700 billion

1:02.2

on AI every year that's on the chips and the data centers, the power, adjusted for

1:08.5

inflation.

1:09.5

That's approximately one Manhattan project every three to four

1:13.6

weeks. It's one Apollo program every five months. This is an insane amount of money for the

1:20.4

private sector to put into anything. Six months ago, I was quite certain that AI was a bubble.

1:28.3

And I was certain for the very simple reason that I thought history was just repeating itself.

1:32.3

AI spending was rising faster, I thought, than revenue could possibly match it.

1:37.3

And now here I want to be very careful and clear because I think some people who don't like AI for all sorts of reasons also hope that

1:46.2

it's a bubble because they don't want artificial intelligence to turn out to be something that's

1:50.2

important. But a bubble in AI would itself be one of the most important stories of the decade

1:57.7

for the stock market, for the economy, for unemployment, for housing, for

2:02.7

politics. In a bubble that blows up in 2028 would be more consequential, I think, than who

2:09.6

the party is nominated for president. For most of the last year, I was convinced about the

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