Hey, everybody. Welcome to this wreckage. Sean and I are joined by Adrian Willabin, the author of Revoltz without Revolution, which is something of a follow-up to another piece we talked about years ago.

Memes with Forrests, published by Ill Will Editions. And this is the text I

wanted to talk about because it gets into some of the ideas of the contemporary uprisings we've

seen in the last year. He calls the youth quakes, you know, these sort of Gen Z uprisings. And so we're

going to talk about that and sort of compare it to the way he wrote about the gillet jane the george floyd uprising

hong kong and those sorts of things and look at that progression and it's relevance to the

contemporary moment thank you for joining us adrian how you doing hey i'm great thanks for having me on

yeah welcome to the show it's really good to have you this is um on top of a continuing conversation

we began with other works of yours.

There's also, I think, a good opportunity for us to continue with a thread that we were on for many, many years, which is, and your piece is helpful for, which is to try to understand the way that revolt happens, the way that, to ask a question, is there a real movement?

And if there is, what does it consist of?

Who is the constituency for a revolutionary movement in this moment?

Where do we come down on issues of organizations, spontaneity, whatever?

So thanks again for coming on.

I think this will be a great conversation.

All right.

So let's give a refresher on memes without ends.

So there's two articles.

The first one that I wrote with Paul Torino came out in Mute Magazine in 2019.

This was in the heat of the Yellow Vest movement in France, and that was the target of it.

It aimed to theorize what was new in the L of S, by contrast with

the cycles that had immediately preceded it both in the U.S. around the movement of Occupy Wall

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