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Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Year-End Tax Shock

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Don McDonald

Investing, Education, Business, How To

4.5810 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

This episode digs into the unwelcome December surprise of capital-gains distributions, especially from actively managed mutual funds. Don and Tom break down Morningstar’s latest list of high-distribution offenders, spotlighting the astonishing 83% capital-gains payout from the Royce Midcap Total Return Fund. They compare the tax drag, costs, turnover, and long-term underperformance of these funds against index funds and ETFs, and explain why tax-efficient investing matters far more than most people realize. Listener questions cover overly complex portfolios, Edward Jones stock positions, odd-lot tender offers, and whether large-cap blue-chip stocks remove the need for bonds. The episode closes with a reminder that detailed portfolio triage is best handled in one-on-one meetings. 0:04 Capital-gains season returns and why high fund returns can still hurt 0:29 Don & Tom on weather, wardrobe, and warming up in Florida 1:30 December capital-gains distributions and why they happen 2:07 Morningstar’s warning: active funds with big capital-gains payouts 3:06 Vanguard, T. Rowe Price, and American Funds distribution levels 4:09 The biggest offender: Royce Midcap Total Return Fund 5:41 Why 35 funds will distribute more than 10% of assets 5:52 The stunning number: Royce’s 83% capital-gains distribution 6:52 Why big outflows and poor performance drive big taxable events 7:21 Royce’s turnover, tiny size, high costs, and weak long-term returns 8:47 Why it’s critical to hold active funds only in tax-advantaged accounts 10:07 ETFs vs mutual funds: tax efficiency and turnover differences 11:42 Comparing Royce to Avantis AVGE on fees, turnover, and performance 12:16 How AVGE tracks its index vs Royce’s massive underperformance 13:33 When selling an active fund before a distribution may or may not help 14:05 Listener question: overly detailed allocation request — why it needs a meeting 16:29 Why some questions require one-on-one analysis 18:20 Why Appella’s free meetings exist (and what they’re not) 20:35 Odd-lot tender offers explained 22:14 Listener: selling Edward Jones stock holdings and leaving EJ 23:42 Why small, young investors should clean up taxable accounts early 24:24 The long decline of commission-based brokerage 25:26 Bothell check-in: blue-chip stocks vs bonds 27:18 Historical returns: 98 years of total market vs small-cap value 28:49 Why bonds exist in a portfolio despite low recent returns 29:30 Closing thoughts on discipline, diversification, and realism Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Think about cheese.

0:02.0

Make your thoughts cheesier.

0:04.2

Now add 100% chicken breast fillet,

0:06.3

Chipotle sauce and Amadea cheese melt.

0:08.3

And it's giving the new cheesy chicken stack at McDonald's.

0:12.3

Did we mention it's cheesy?

0:13.9

Cheese.

0:15.8

Availments with the 4th of Jan, 2026 from 11am.

0:18.1

Plus and participation may vary.

0:19.2

Subjects availability.

0:27.7

Reality Radio for a really great future.

0:29.7

We're talking real money.

0:30.9

Oh, no.

0:33.3

No, it's not that time of year again, is it?

0:35.3

Yes, it is.

0:53.7

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, it's the one time during a otherwise good stock year and otherwise good stock year when you won't like those high returns you got in some of these funds, particularly if you're using actively managed funds.

0:54.5

Hello, everyone.

0:59.3

Don McDonald here for another, wow, exciting edition of the Talking Real Money podcast,

1:03.6

along with the inimitable brown shirt, Tomcock,

1:07.5

hanging out in Beluvian, Washington.

1:08.4

Belvuvian?

1:10.2

That's close enough. I've never owned a shirt of this color. color. What do you think? What do you think? It's very brown. Yeah, it is very brown. Very brown. But of course, you're all dapper. I, in the other hand, I'm in a long-sleepe t-shirt because it's in the 30s. Slippin' cold in Florida now. Wow. Yeah, that was crazy to see that you went from like the 80s to the 30s in 24 hours. Oh, it was just, I was so cold. I was cold. I was cold to the bones. I could not warm up. Okay. I was going to start a fire, but I don't have a fireplace, and I figured it wouldn't be good for the house to just start a random indoor fire. Yeah, that's bad. Welcome to the program. It is coming up on capital gains time of the year. That's what happens in December, which is where we are right now. Oh, my gosh. It's already December. It's the moment. Time flies when you get old, doesn't it? It does. Don't sing. I know. You're the only guy allowed to sing. Would you be all over it? Me? Not so much. Do you hear me singing? Because I'm very depressed because my exciting Royce smid cap.

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