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The Bulwark Podcast

Yascha Mounk: The Identity Trap

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Our democratic order is facing a two-front war. While the immediate crisis may be from the right, the left is presenting its own threats—which only helps make far-right populism stronger. Political scientist and democracy hipster Yashca Mounk discusses his new book with Charlie Sykes on the weekend pod.

show notes:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712961/the-identity-trap-by-yascha-mounk/

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the weekend bowl work podcast. I'm Charlie Sachs. I thought we take another

0:10.9

break from Trumpism and the shambala clown car what's happening on Congress

0:15.0

to talk about other issues that are marginally less controversial.

0:19.2

No, not really, actually.

0:20.9

There is a new book out next week.

0:22.4

It is the identity trap by our good

0:24.8

friend Yasherunk and it's going to generate an awful lot of buzz because he goes

0:29.7

at the whole question of illiberalism from the left and wokism from the left but from a

0:36.8

center left perspective and so yasha first of all welcome to the podcast thank you so

0:41.6

much Charlie okay we got to do a little bit of the hype because you have some of the best blurbs.

0:45.4

I got this book in the mail about a month ago and I'm driving in the car and I'm reading some of it to my wife.

0:50.6

This is Jonathan Haight, who writes, America's academic, cultural, and

0:54.1

political institutions went insane beginning around 2014. And I've been trying to

1:00.0

figure out why ever since. In this new book, the identity trap, Yashamung, explains how a few

1:05.6

powerfully bad ideas propelled to institutions by people with good intentions are causing

1:12.0

systemic dysfunction and dangerous

1:14.4

polarization. This is among the most insightful and important books

1:17.9

written in the last decade on American democracy and its current torments

1:22.0

because it also shows us a way out of the trap.

1:24.8

Okay, David French, New York Times columnist, regular on this podcast.

1:29.2

In this indispensable book, Yashermunk, proposes an alternative to the ceaseless combat between

1:35.4

woke and anti-woke extremes, one that takes seriously the enduring malignant legacy of

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