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The Political Orphanage

Yascha Mounk on the Identity Trap

The Political Orphanage

Andrew Heaton

Comedy, Moderate, Politics, Independent, News, Nonpartisan, Libertarian

5951 Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Depending on whether society treats people primarily as individuals or as identity groups has deep ramifications for worldviews, government policy, and the long-term health of society. Yascha Mounk is the author of “The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in our Time.” He joins to discuss.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the political orphanage, a home for plucky misfits and problem solvers. I'm your host Andrew Heaton.

0:16.4

On today's episode we're going to get into some thorny stuff about race and society,

0:21.8

so I'm going to kick things off by playing a clip from a very

0:24.8

controversial television program, and I know people have strong thoughts on it.

0:30.3

I certainly do, so I'm going to ask you to focus on the issue at hand rather than your overall

0:36.4

opinion of the program, which is of course, season one of Star Trek Picard.

0:43.0

When you first learned that the Romulan Sun was going to explode and the terrible consequences that would bring,

0:48.0

what feelings came up for you?

0:52.0

There are no words to describe the calamitous scale of that change, which is one of the reasons...

1:00.3

You can't tell us how you felt, but your initial actions were to call for a massive

1:04.1

relocation of Romulans? The Romulans asked for our help.

1:08.4

And I believed we had a profound obligation to give it.

1:11.8

Many felt there were better uses for our resources than aiding the Federation's oldest enemy.

1:15.7

Well, fortunately, the Federation chose to support the rescue efforts.

1:20.1

Yes.

1:21.7

Initially. I have been known to be persuasive, but the Federation understood there were millions of lives at stake.

1:30.0

Romulan lives? No. Lives.

1:34.0

Not Romulans.

1:37.0

People.

1:38.0

Captain Picard sees sentient beings as people first and is cognizant of their species as a secondary

1:45.2

attribute. Red blood, green blood, pointiers, turtle forehead were all just

1:51.0

people as opposed to his interviewer who sees individuals as components of a species.

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